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KjeXz
2003-06-07, 00:42
I found this in a magazine, Black Belt september 2002. It's an article about effective self defense techniques that don't take years to learn.

I'll short it down so it won't either take years to write. :)

I hope you'll appreciate me taking time to supply you with this information.

Here goes with techniques:



1. Side of the fist

A blow with the side of your fist eliminates the risk associated with using a boxing punch - breaking your knuckles, humb or wrist, or failing to knock out your opponent - but still allows you to land a damaging strike. It's a natural motion that uses the sturdy bone along the edge of your hand. To form this weapon, make a tight fist with your thumb pressed against your middle and index fingers. Keep your wrist straight and rigidly locked. Deliver it with a chopping, whip-like motion. It should impact with the fleshy side of your hand, between the pinky and the wrist, and snap back immediately afterward. The best targets include the groin, nose, neck, temple, jaw and chin.

2. Heel of the hand

With the heel of your hand you can break any frontal grap - provided, of course, that you have one hand free. You can also use it in many other close combat situations. Form this weapon by bending your hand back at the wrist, with your thumb tucked in and fingers spread. Strike with the base of your hand and the little hollow produced in the lower part of your palm. When you're very close to the enemy, ram it under his chin; this forces his head back. Follow up by gouging his eyes with your outstretched fingers.

If the opponent keeps you at arm's length, start throwing heel-of-the-hand blows in quick piston-like combinations. Aim anywhere on the face, but the nose is usually the preferred target. At the very least, this will keep him off-balance and vurnerable to other strikes. Even if none of the blows reaches him, the mere fact that you are now on the offensive will keep him busy enough protecting himself that he can no longer hurt you.



3. Cupped hand clout

Cup your hands together like a swimmer and simultaneously bash them over your opponent's ears, whipping your hands back after making contact. At the very leats, the opponent will be punch drunk, but more likely he'll drop like a rock. :)

This technique is very disorientating and can even damage the eardrum.



4. Thumb gouge

The eyes are the most delicate part of a person's anatomy, and this gruesome technique can rip them right out of his head. Sharply bend your thumbs and place the tips on the inside corner of each eye. Now straighten your thumbs with a jerking motion and drive inside and towards his ears.

Practice this on your partner's forehead - not on the eyes themselves - and you'll be amazed when yu observe how far back his head snaps. The thumb gouge is an ideal follow-up to a cupped-hand clout but must be reserved for actual life-or-death confrontations only.



5. Knuckle punch

This strike is used against the throat, neck, midsection, groin or other soft parts of the body. Bend your fingers at the second joint with the fingertips pressed against the upper part of your palm, and place your thumb on top of your index finger. Strike with the first three knuckles in a jabbing fasion. Surprisingly little force is requiredfor effectiveness, especially when you hit the windpipe.

6. Front snap kick



This technique requires more balance and practice than the others,but it's worth the effort. Raise either leg waist high and keep your supporting leg bent for balance. Quickly move your kicking leg straight forward without twisting the knee. Wether you strike your target or not, snap your leg back immediately to prevent your opponent from grabbing it. If you wear sturdy shoes, you can kick toe-first; otherwise, strike with the heel orball of your foot. The best targets are the shins and knees, but the groin shouldn't be overlooked. Since most men expect a groin attack, attempt one only when your opponent is visibly weakened or distracted.



7. Knee thrust

Many instructors warn against knee thrusts because, in their words, "the testicles are difficult to hit, and a bungled attempth will only make your attacker angrier." That may appear logical on paper, but those who have street exerience will agree that in some situations, such as being lifted in a front bear hug, a knee thrust is the only practical solution.Such a technique delivered anywhere in the groin area or even the outer thigh can cause substantial pain - not the knockout pain a testicle kick produces, but enough so you can launch additional blows which will take him out of action. Furthermore, a knee thrust is the only technique that automatically deflects a knee thrust aimed at you, so whatever hand-to-hand grappling ensues, the wise man gets his shot in first.

For those who aren't convinced that knees are prime weapons against the groin, I offer this test: Strap on a sturdy protective cup, then stand with your legs together to shield your testicles and invite your partner to ram his knee into your crotch. You'll soon find out what a wooden floor tastes like.

To execute the knee thrust, grab your opponent's lapels for balance, bend either knee and start ramming it upward. ;) If he hasn't dropped after one or two attempts, stick your thumb in his eye, ram a finger up his nostril or bite his nose. He'll be too busy guarding his "family jewels" to see it coming. Then you can launch additional thrusts at will.

8. Scraping kick



This kick is a short range version of the powerful side kick - one that can be mastered in a fraction of the time. A scraping kick is more practical than karate-type kicks because most fights occur with blinding speed and in such close quarters that an attempt to throw a traditional kick often gets the wrong man hurt. To deliver a scraping kick, turn slightly to the left to protect your groin, smash the outer edge of your right shoe into his shin and scrape downward. Finish with stomping on his foot with your heel. You'll notice the funny way he lurches forward, chin exposed, allmost inviting the heel-of-the-hand blow as a follow-up.



Spend plenty of time practicing these eight techniques until they become as reflexive as driving a car. You will soon discoverthat some work better for you than others; those are the ones you should concentrate on in training so they become reflexive on the street.

That's all for today. :)

Originally written by Matthew Temkin,

rewritten by KjeXz.

Verdammnis
2003-06-07, 03:48
quote:Originally posted by KjeXz:

I found this in a magazine, Black Belt september 2002

Need I say more....

jackrabid
2003-06-07, 04:40
KA-BAR TO NECK = I WIN . F KARATE

Mack
2003-06-07, 04:42
Is number 1 sayng a boxing punch is no good at all? Or to risky? Or just has some little thing wrong cause you can brake your knuckles sometimes?

Sorry its my english, I cant really understand it.

Fail to knockout? Dunno if I understood well, but boxing has the strongest punches compared to all other MAs, duh obviously.

BTW, thanks for the read, good to read, but I owuldnt agree with the front snap kick, Id reather go with the heel then the ball of the foot.

Cause its a lot easier to break your foot or fingers with the front snap. Evey instructor will tell you that.

And Id rather not read naything from BlackBlet Magazine either.

A modified sidekick? Or you resumed something wrong, or as usual, its simply BBM.

The sidekick isnt even modified, its done the exact same way, they just want you to follow with the dude falling and stomp him, thats how you resumed it.

Trust me, its better to learn to bring your kick back into position fast, or move away, instead of learning some finish move with the sidekick.

Cause the first thing someone will do is push it away in any matter, and your offbalance, voila. Your already disadvantaged. THis looks more like a kick for movies.

Also whatever they said in this artivle, is some freekn old stuff they just presented it in another way, at least they added the knee to make it look a little different.

The classic closed fist with the thumb on the side, this was actually suppose to be used to hit a certan nerve on the side of the neck, not the throat, the first thing a human beeng does when he knows somehting is coming, is moving away and putting his head down so it protects his throat, then youll just break your hand on his mouth, Id rather knuckle punch properly.

Heres one for you you learn in boxing, you dont even need to punch hard, just hit him around his eyebrows, and theres a cut, and blood flows into the mans eye. Thats what gloves are for, to prevent cuts.

As simple as that. no need to KO or super strong punches, also there are weak points all over the human head, you learn this also.

ANd all those attacks, are practiced as elemnt of suprise, cause they dont talk about combinations, if you want somehting like that, try boxing, or other MAs, and youll have some fast punches in your arsenal and know how to usem them agaisnt someone moving, and trsut me, not only will you have 1 really fast suprising attack, but 4 of them, just take a saprring art.

You miss with an of those moves, that you do really fast, its over for you, a boxer if he misses, he comes in with another hand.

AIming at ore then one spot, cause the first thing someone will do is defend himself with the hands, and what MA is all about teh hands? Im sure we all know.

But what was the point of number one, if after this they tell you to use a closed fist but only by moving the thumb, just take boxing and aim for whats right.

KjeXz
2003-06-07, 13:27
Thanks for your reflection on the article, and giving me yet another facial target. ;D

I'm not sure if you understood the number one properly, but it's a hammer fist, which is pretty effective. Though, i disagree with the article saying boxing punches are bad.

Want effectivity? Learn Krav Maga, the israeli army's MA. I've also heard Hapkido and Shootfighting should be pretty effective. :)

Mack
2003-06-07, 17:34
Bah whatever goes towards moderation and evolves with society should be good, like Krav Maga I guess, not stayng to traditional.

Society evolves and so do hte people, back in the days or in china, maybe peoples natural reaction was to use a somehow hand chop, but it changes, its no like that anymore, MAs most evolve with society, not stay traditional like most of the chinese styles.

CesareBorgia
2003-06-09, 05:25
You say fuck karate.

I say fuck you.

Karate has made my reflexes so fucking fast, before you could even think of pulling that bar out, I'd have snapped your neck.

quote:Originally posted by jackrabid:

KA-BAR TO NECK = I WIN . F KARATE

jak719
2003-06-09, 08:28
#1 is like a pounding technique, thats all it is. Im a boxer and I prefer boxing punches. I love boxing, You can get hurt with any kind of attack if you fuck it up. Some of those moves are pretty cheap, like the thumb gouge. And that ear thing wont work to well either. If you put both arms in front of you at the same time to try and hit him in the years you are so vulnerable. That leaves your whole body wide open. All he would have to do is put his hands up and knock yours away and still has time to execute a few quick, powerful, and strategically placed blows. SO thats not worth trying. And you cant base your defense on these one shot moves. Like the one kid said, a boxer throws a punch and already has another punch backing that one up. What you want to do is throw a punch that in order for him to block, forces him into a vulnerable position for your next shot. But, I dont mean to try and correct you because i know you didnt write it so please dont take any offense to any criticism I have implied.

Verdammnis
2003-06-09, 21:02
quote:Originally posted by CesareBorgia:

Karate has made my reflexes so fucking fast, before you could even think of pulling that bar out, I'd have snapped your neck.



"Look at me Mr. Bad Ass Karate man"

Mack
2003-06-09, 21:37
Thats hwta Ive been sayng, a boxer will throw combinations, and a boxer is defending his face and his ribs and body in general really well.

Thats hwat I ment by sanyg, "And what martial art is all about the hands?"

But fuck that, must have been my english.

Seriously KjeXz

dude, just take boxing, youll learn to throw a strong right, and a few combinations, kicks are really risky anyways, especialy high kicks.

ANd youll just punch, and get back into your normal stance defending yourself greatly.

Thats somwthing youll never learn by yourslef, trust me, I know that namater how fast you throw your attack, you will leave your hand out heh.

Its just the way it is, if I havnt told you this you wouldnt know it and even wouldnt notice it, now you know, you need to bring your hand back fast, thats somethign youll learn in boxing.

Theres much more you must know you wont learn from those magazines, but I wont tell you, I suggest you take boxing, youll have a general idea how to perform great strikes.

Then just do whatever you want with it, but I warn you, boxing is not easy, its hard technicaly. For the attacks, the basi understandin is easy tho.

Also what stance will you be in? You havnt thought of that did you? I knew that, youll learn all this in a gym.

CaptainBlackAdder
2003-06-13, 13:56
some of those moves are good, but i have to agree with that guy who said some of those moves are cheap. specially the eye gouge and the ear drum popping move. it is a very rare situation where u would be justified using that, so just for the sake of the idiots out there who'd try it and end up in juvenile detention, don't post that shit on forums. no wonder they say chivalry is dead.

KjeXz
2003-06-14, 02:16
I think the eye gouge would be well justified if the guy has a gun or something..

And Mack, I tried boxing. :) I need kicks. Low kicks suit me well, and i do know to retract my punches fast thanks.. :F

What's with the stances, anyway? wide low ones for balance, and other ones for something else i don't seem to need? :/

Enlighten me. :)

munkeystu
2003-06-14, 05:24
quote:Originally posted by KjeXz:

I found this in a magazine, Black Belt september 2002. It's an article about effective self defense techniques that don't take years to learn.

I'll short it down so it won't either take years to write. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

I hope you'll appreciate me taking time to supply you with this information.

Here goes with techniques:



1. Side of the fist

A blow with the side of your fist eliminates the risk associated with using a boxing punch - breaking your knuckles, humb or wrist, or failing to knock out your opponent - but still allows you to land a damaging strike. It's a natural motion that uses the sturdy bone along the edge of your hand. To form this weapon, make a tight fist with your thumb pressed against your middle and index fingers. Keep your wrist straight and rigidly locked. Deliver it with a chopping, whip-like motion. It should impact with the fleshy side of your hand, between the pinky and the wrist, and snap back immediately afterward. The best targets include the groin, nose, neck, temple, jaw and chin.

2. Heel of the hand

With the heel of your hand you can break any frontal grap - provided, of course, that you have one hand free. You can also use it in many other close combat situations. Form this weapon by bending your hand back at the wrist, with your thumb tucked in and fingers spread. Strike with the base of your hand and the little hollow produced in the lower part of your palm. When you're very close to the enemy, ram it under his chin; this forces his head back. Follow up by gouging his eyes with your outstretched fingers.

If the opponent keeps you at arm's length, start throwing heel-of-the-hand blows in quick piston-like combinations. Aim anywhere on the face, but the nose is usually the preferred target. At the very least, this will keep him off-balance and vurnerable to other strikes. Even if none of the blows reaches him, the mere fact that you are now on the offensive will keep him busy enough protecting himself that he can no longer hurt you.



3. Cupped hand clout

Cup your hands together like a swimmer and simultaneously bash them over your opponent's ears, whipping your hands back after making contact. At the very leats, the opponent will be punch drunk, but more likely he'll drop like a rock. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

This technique is very disorientating and can even damage the eardrum.



4. Thumb gouge

The eyes are the most delicate part of a person's anatomy, and this gruesome technique can rip them right out of his head. Sharply bend your thumbs and place the tips on the inside corner of each eye. Now straighten your thumbs with a jerking motion and drive inside and towards his ears.

Practice this on your partner's forehead - not on the eyes themselves - and you'll be amazed when yu observe how far back his head snaps. The thumb gouge is an ideal follow-up to a cupped-hand clout but must be reserved for actual life-or-death confrontations only.



5. Knuckle punch

This strike is used against the throat, neck, midsection, groin or other soft parts of the body. Bend your fingers at the second joint with the fingertips pressed against the upper part of your palm, and place your thumb on top of your index finger. Strike with the first three knuckles in a jabbing fasion. Surprisingly little force is requiredfor effectiveness, especially when you hit the windpipe.

6. Front snap kick



This technique requires more balance and practice than the others,but it's worth the effort. Raise either leg waist high and keep your supporting leg bent for balance. Quickly move your kicking leg straight forward without twisting the knee. Wether you strike your target or not, snap your leg back immediately to prevent your opponent from grabbing it. If you wear sturdy shoes, you can kick toe-first; otherwise, strike with the heel orball of your foot. The best targets are the shins and knees, but the groin shouldn't be overlooked. Since most men expect a groin attack, attempt one only when your opponent is visibly weakened or distracted.



7. Knee thrust

Many instructors warn against knee thrusts because, in their words, "the testicles are difficult to hit, and a bungled attempth will only make your attacker angrier." That may appear logical on paper, but those who have street exerience will agree that in some situations, such as being lifted in a front bear hug, a knee thrust is the only practical solution.Such a technique delivered anywhere in the groin area or even the outer thigh can cause substantial pain - not the knockout pain a testicle kick produces, but enough so you can launch additional blows which will take him out of action. Furthermore, a knee thrust is the only technique that automatically deflects a knee thrust aimed at you, so whatever hand-to-hand grappling ensues, the wise man gets his shot in first.

For those who aren't convinced that knees are prime weapons against the groin, I offer this test: Strap on a sturdy protective cup, then stand with your legs together to shield your testicles and invite your partner to ram his knee into your crotch. You'll soon find out what a wooden floor tastes like.

To execute the knee thrust, grab your opponent's lapels for balance, bend either knee and start ramming it upward. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif) If he hasn't dropped after one or two attempts, stick your thumb in his eye, ram a finger up his nostril or bite his nose. He'll be too busy guarding his "family jewels" to see it coming. Then you can launch additional thrusts at will.

8. Scraping kick



This kick is a short range version of the powerful side kick - one that can be mastered in a fraction of the time. A scraping kick is more practical than karate-type kicks because most fights occur with blinding speed and in such close quarters that an attempt to throw a traditional kick often gets the wrong man hurt. To deliver a scraping kick, turn slightly to the left to protect your groin, smash the outer edge of your right shoe into his shin and scrape downward. Finish with stomping on his foot with your heel. You'll notice the funny way he lurches forward, chin exposed, allmost inviting the heel-of-the-hand blow as a follow-up.



Spend plenty of time practicing these eight techniques until they become as reflexive as driving a car. You will soon discoverthat some work better for you than others; those are the ones you should concentrate on in training so they become reflexive on the street.

That's all for today. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Originally written by Matthew Temkin,

rewritten by KjeXz.

Just steal a knife from wal-mart and imporvise.

KjeXz
2003-06-14, 05:45
For maximum harm, drop your magazine and buy one of these. :)

http://216.71.158.68/webcat/product1660.html

Or just roll up your magazine and hit em in the face with the circle end. :)

Mack
2003-06-14, 18:27
quote:Originally posted by KjeXz:

I think the eye gouge would be well justified if the guy has a gun or something..

And Mack, I tried boxing. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) I need kicks. Low kicks suit me well, and i do know to retract my punches fast thanks.. :F

What's with the stances, anyway? wide low ones for balance, and other ones for something else i don't seem to need? :/

Enlighten me. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Well your tryng boxing, shouldnt you know? I dunno what you mean by wide low ones for balance, maybe when they show it to you technicaly, thats how its showed at first, when your ready to do it in a ring its different, but Im not sure I know what ou mean.

There arent really stances, its just you movin around dodging attacks. Except or the basic first stance.

Unles I get soemthing wrong in your thread, but I dont think so.

Mack
2003-06-14, 18:33
If your thinking about it to technicaly dont do so, for example, the hook, dont think of it as a new stance you need to get into, just throw the attack.

ANd you always need grappling\wrestling wiht that.

YOu did boxing for how long?

KjeXz
2003-06-15, 23:22
Just for abit longer than a month..

I did taekwon-do for two and a half years before that..

Forget about the stances :)

And hey, i'm gonna try out shootfighting this autumn(sp?). Plus getting a book on hapkido throws and some gloves to fight my buddy.. :>

So i'll be kind of a mixed up fighter...

Tho i dunno if that's good, other than being able to do unexpected moves. :|

Your beloved KjeXz

Mack
2003-06-16, 01:58
Shootofighting is a great choice, I wouldnt be so sure about hapkido, but tyr what you think is alright, and stay with it.

KjeXz
2003-06-18, 08:28
I'll try to find something to stick with, but it isn't very easy.. I want to try sticking with krav maga and capoeira, so that i train one effective art and one fancy art. :)

I feel off-topic. :>

Drugie_Fish
2003-06-18, 18:34
quote:Originally posted by CesareBorgia:

You say fuck karate.

I say fuck you.

Karate has made my reflexes so fucking fast, before you could even think of pulling that bar out, I'd have snapped your neck.



It takes a lot of force to snap a neck and even if you could do it its not 100% certian that he will drop dead.Even if he did die it dosent take that much force or energy to put a knife into someone which he could do as he is falling.